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incumben incumbentsy. i wonder whether republicans, your colleagues, will convert to that standard narrative, barack obama doesn't care about defending the country. he's picking a court nominee who said you couldn't recruit for the military at harvard. >> i hope not. first you should know that three law students when elena kagan was dean at harvard who were iraq veterans wrote in her defense saying she's someone that made a very welcome atmosphere for veterans here at the law school. the fact that she addressed cadets at west point and talked about her life and security was there because of her and the work they did on the front line. this was just simply about her enforcing a policy, a nondiscrimination policy that wasn't just about sexual preference but gender and race and religion in her own law school. >> should recruiters be allowed to go to the university of minnesota and recruit for the
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military? >> now that the law has been clear that that's happening but what i would like to see is a change to that policy. you see admiral mullen on the front lines saying he wants to see a change. defense secretary gates. if you have the top leaders of our military saying that they want to see a change in the policy, the fact that elena kagan has in the past said that was her personal opinion to see a change, i would hope that that wouldn't be used against her as the only reason someone would vote against her. that makes no sense. they may not agree with her opinion, but they have to look at whether she's qualified to be a justice on the supreme court. she clearly is. she's earned the respect of everyone she's worked with. when she was out for solicitor general five former republican solicitor generals supported her. >> recruitment of military on campus is all right with you? >> again, i want to see a change in the policy, chris, as do so many of my colleagues as to leadership and military and we won't have that issue anymore. i support changing don't ask,
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don't petell policy. >> does it disturb you that elena kagan said under testimony she doesn't believe there's a constitution protection for those that seek to marry someone of their own gender. does that bother that you she seems to foreclose that issue which is may be on its way to the court because of the challenge to the california law? >> again, i want to look at that. i hadn't seen that part of her testimony. i was there at the judiciary hearing for other things and she commented on and was really impressed by the way she handled questions from democrats and republicans. i think that she's someone when she comes before us, she'll tell us what i believe a good judge should do. she'll look at each case on its merits. she's not going to be someone that's going to come to the case with a set decision because you look at her record, you look at how she was at harvard, open-minded to other points of view, that's what she is. she's one who calls it when she sees it and makes a decision and that's why people admire her from both sides of the aisle.
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remembe remember, you look down the line at who she worked for, president clinton, president obama, they both have great faith in her ability to do the job. >> i do worry about a candidate for the supreme court who already made up their mind on this key issue coming to the court. mitch mcconnell going after kagan for usual partisan reasons. this guy is like the no man. let's listen. >> of course one does not need to have prior experience as a judge before being appointed to the country's highest court. but it strikes me that if a nominee does not have judicial experience, they should have substantial litigation experience. ms. kagan has neither. unlike justice rehnquist for instance who was in private practice for 16 years prior to his appointment as assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel, a job at the
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time of his appointment to the supreme court. >> i have a feeling that some of the excitement we heard may have said the opposite had this been someone with judicial experience. he would have said why don't we pick someone without judicial experience. >> first of all, chris, justice rehnquist, who i don't think they would hardly criticize, came in there with no judicial experience. look at the great justices who came on the court without that experience of being a judge. i welcome this idea that we could have one justice on that court that had some real world experience in terms of the government and in terms of being out in the private sector. she's had that experience. i think that that's a positive. >> okay. i'm looking for a rub here. you say it doesn't concern you her position on recruitment on campus at harvard or her statement earlier about same-sex marriage. does it concern you she supported bush administration policy on retention of people we're not holding for trial at gitmo? >> again, when she made that
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statement, i was there at that hearing when lindsey graham was questioning her, chris. she was being an advocate for the administration's position for attorney general position at that time. as justice roberts said at his own hearing, you can be an advocate but then you also have to be a judge. so again, i think these are worthy questions. i wouldn't say it doesn't concern me. these are questions we're all going ask her and we would like to hear answers for them. what i'm saying is you have to look he at the big picture of her background. she has extreme intelligence that will a counterweight to roberts on that court. she can build coalitions and what i care most about, chris is, we get opinions where kennedy is on the side of the right that's on the side of doing the right thing here as opposed to the right wing. we want to get some things done on this court, and she has proven to be someone who can build that coalition and is a smart person who can match roberts decision by decision point by point. >> that would be great.
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if she can lead five and not just four. thank you so much. let's go to former republican congressman, a fellow from the heritage foundation. on what you've seen so far, would you oppose the nomination or confirmation of elena kagan for supreme court? >> the challenge is if you hire someone to do a job under supervision, someone with this little legal experience you might hire but a lifetime appointment for the next 25 to 30 years, you need to know more about what they think about constitutional principles, how they follow the law. the case you were describing about military recruiters at harvard, she took the position that the supreme court basically threw out of court. 8-0 or 8-1 they said that the position she took was unreasonable. so the problem here is we basically have someone who was
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an ivory tower academic. that's basically what her legal career has been. it's not just the lack of experience as a judge. it's the lack of experience as an attorney around the courtroom at all and lack of understanding what does she really stand for? people will be comparing her to former justice suitor. >> i respect your opinion having been elected member of the congress, i accept your position. i think so much of this seems partisan. i look at mitch mcconnell saying her problem is she hasn't been a judge. i can easily imagine senator mcconnell saying her problem is she's been a judge. we have too many judges. we need regular people on the court. you are laughing at this but we've been hearing that rant for a couple months now. exhibit a, arlen specter voted against her for solicitor general and we all know given his desperate fight now for nomination for senator from pennsylvania he'll come out by
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this weekend saying she's the greatest thing since sliced bread. it's partisan the way politicians look at this. >> i think your point of saying if someone doesn't have a record, people criticize them for that. if they have too much of a record, they criticize them for that. you're right. that's a cannot win situation. mitch mcconnell's criticism was not just lack of experience as a judge but lack of experience as a practicing attorney. if you look at one of the few things that ms. kagan has written, she said that the role of the supreme court is to benefit the despised and disadvantaged. the reason the statues of justice wear the blindfold is because they're not supposed to take sides on whether you are liked, disliked, advantaged or disadvantaged. that's supposed to be disregarded. statements like that certainly make her appear to be in the cast in the mold of a very activist judge.
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>> one place i do -- i think you want to correct yourself. the first amendment is to protect unpopular opinion, right? >> protect all opinion. >> unpopular. let's face it. you don't need to say i love apple pie and protect i love the flag. you have to protect people who may burn the flag and do things you really hate seeing them do. isn't that what the first amendment is about? >> the first amendment i got to say apple pie may be popular in some places and unpopular in others. so you don't know exactly from where the case will come. i prefer cherry. >> i do too actually. this is ridiculous. >> got you out on that one. >> let me ask you this, you don't think it's the job of the supreme court to protect the rights of minorities? >> i think it's the right -- i think their job it to protect the rights of minorities but that's not their sole job. the job is to protect the rights of everyone. >> you're from the ivory tower known as heritage foundation.
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the republican party is just as good at picking ivy leaguers as the democratic party. give me the line about your party being the party of regular folk. your party picks as many elitist as the other party. accept that. >> i've never seen a measurement on that. both parties do pick a lot of people that have certain ivy league credentials. i agree on that. that's a challenge. again, in this case, a lot of people have the accompaniment of those credentials with some more real world in the trenches type of experience. maybe it's the type of experience you like. maybe it's the kind you don't like. but in this case, that appears to be exclusively what she has going for her. >> okay. thank you very much, congressman. we agree on cherry pie at least. coming up, the republican purge is surging. bennett the latest knockout. the guy is gone. can republicans win by going
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>> at the risk of getting a little emotional, i want to thank my staff. i get dewy eyed at the dedication of a parking lot so this is not unusual for me. >> we're back.
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that was utah senator bob bennett on saturday night after failing to get enough support to make it into the republican party. how strong is this national purging mood? strong enough to knock out john mccain and arlen specter next week? guys, i have to feel for this fellow. i have been on losing nights. when you lose, you do feel for the staff that worked their butt off. your thoughts? the guy is gone. he's out of politics. second generation senator. 76 years old. maybe that's part of the story. what do you think is going on? >> i think that probably is part of the story. he's 76 years old. this doesn't usually happen in incumbent senator who wants to at least get into the primary to retain his seat usually gets in and i think maybe we have slightly different things happening and slightly different locations.
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i'm not sure of the three examples you just cited are all exactly the same thing but is there anti-incumbent mood and should every incumbent look over his or her shoulder? most of them ought to be. >> when i try to put together these segments, i look for theme attic material and it seems there's a theme here. people are tired of certain politicians there a long time. look at these numbers, guys. here's how the numbers came out saturday in utah. a guy named tim bridgewater, 37%. mike lee, 36%. bob bennett, three-term u.s. senator, longtime senator from utah, institution in the lds mormon church out there, a major institution, practically part of the furniture of utah politically kicked out on his butt. doesn't get into the primary. what's going on?
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mccain must be scared, too. >> it's traumatic. in addition to anti-incumbency, on the republican side there's ideology, too. having been in a lot of conservative events recently and been at tea party rallies and the southern republican leadership conference, the base of the republican party and grassroots are shifting to the right and shifting fast. that means they're against anybody in washington who so much as shakes hand with a democrat. this is partly the result of barack obama's presidency. we don't regard barack obama as a radical in any sense. he's a deal maker from chicago. but to the growing conservative grassroots of the republican party, he represents everything they can't stand and anybody that deals with him in any way or the democratic party is suspect. bob bennett was suspect because he was doing a deal with ron wyden of oregon because he voted for stuff that democrats had voted for. "the new york times" poll
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recently found that 38% of americans identified themselves as conservatives which is the highest percentage in 19 years that "the new york times" has been asking that question. interestingly, only 25% of americans in that poll identified themselves as republicans. so the republicans are not that well regarded, ie, congressional republicans but grassroots consider themselves -- >> i'll remember that. it tells me they want to purge. let's look at senator bennett on saturday night. here he is. let's listen. >> the political atmosphere obviously has been toxic and it's very clear that some of the votes that i have cast have added to the toxic environment. >> we've seen a pattern -- i do see a pattern among incumbents. i was talking to the poll up in
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pennsylvania. he says he's got a poll coming out wednesday. i can't give away numbers. they get volunteer comments. people say we need fresh blood. we need new blood. specter has been around for half a century. he's in the same situation or worse. by the way, for your benefit, here's the latest pennsylvania tracking poll showing sesteck up. too old? too republican? too long? is that his problem? >> the fact that arlen has been around for so long and is so familiar has to play a role in this. there's an anti-inbcumbent brin in new blood attitude out there. i wonder in terms of the pennsylvania race if it also doesn't have something to do with the fact that arlen specter is new to being a democrat.
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and how much loyalty are democratic voters supposed to have toward a guy who was a republican all those years? i think that helps provide an opening for sesteck. >> when you fight the other side, japanese for example, one guy overboard and you fish them out of the water if he accepts being a prisoner but he won't become captain of the ship. arlen says let me aboard. anyone that gets in my way is no good. the one thing people don't like is he dared to attack another democrat when he's a brand new democrat. he says this guy is no good. old negative ads of arlen specter don't work in this context. >> also in this context the negative ads which reek of traditional politics, politics as usual, that doesn't help
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arlen specter. the harsh attack that he leveled on sesteck backfired. when he went after his military record, he's got an answer for 30 years in the navy, et cetera, it just reeked of old style politics and reeked of nasty gutter fighting. he took the high road. it was a disaster for specter. in many ways if specter goes down, that will be the move that really put him out for good because it reeked of old style politics in a year when people want new style politics, they want nothing that reeks of the way business is conducted as usual. >> a pollster said that he told people in the state who never heard of sestak, he spent 30 years in the navy and ended up
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an admiral. specter voted against elena kagan for solicitor general and now up for the court. let's listen. >> i voted against her because she wouldn't answer specific questions on what kind of cases she would urge the supreme court to take. i'll take a fresh look at her as a supreme court nominee, but i think the judiciary committee members, myself included, haven't been frankly tough enough on insisting on some answers. >> i voted against her before i voted for her. >> yeah. i bet that's going to turn around, chris. i think he's going to find a lot to like about elena kagan in the coming days and weeks. >> why would you think that? why would you think that? why do you think he would come around and like president obama's court pick at this point in his career? >> i think he's running for the democratic nomination and i do
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think he wants to continue being a senator as a democrat. i think he feels that it would be detrimental to that aim if he were to oppose her? >> last one in our pick here. mccain leading by double digits but trending downward. here it looks like this race by august when they have that primary, if you follow the trend lines, who knows except hayworth is no joe sestak. >> j.d. is an engaging guy. a quirky guy. i don't know what will happen by then. a couple months is a lifetime out there. the trend you're looking at here, chris, is you have a lot of senior guys. if you connect dots here, you have bennett, who just came off as a guy around a long, long time. you have arlen spector coming off as a guy that's been around a long time.
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if you connect that dot out to arizona, that puts john mccain on the spot. no question about it. in kentucky which we have coming up next week is a different situation but there the tea party candidate could win the republican party as well. if momentum builds behind people seen as tea party favorites, that could create some national momentum that might in the way of a national election help j.d. hayworth in arizona by the time we get to august. >> up next, the latest chat from hard right transformation of john mccain. you have to watch the latest mccain. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. to a well-equipped buick lacrosse. get inside each. and see what you find. if perfection is what you pursue, this just might change your course. meet the new class of world class.
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first, more tough talk from john mccain as promised. the arizona senator wanonce a moderate immigration reformer is feeling the heat from the right. the senator's new ad shows him walking along arizona's border with a local sheriff. the title, complete the dang fence. >> we're outmanned with all of the illegals in american, more than half come through arizona. >> have we got the right plan? >> the plan is perfect. you bring troops, state, county, local law enforcement together. >> and complete the dang fence. >> it will work this time. >> illegals that used to be undocumented workers. it's not about the fence, senator, and you know it. it's about having a simple reliable job card to tell you who to hire. will we clean up this situation, senator, or aren't we? now from the dang fence to the dang birthers. patrick leahy, chairman of the judiciary committee was out of the gate defending supreme court
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nominee elena kagan. >> we have some republicans who would automatically oppose anybody. in fact, i told the president, i said you realize if you nominated moses, the law giver, someone would raise but he doesn't have a birth certificate. where's his birth certificate. come on. >> is it that bad? speaking of president obama, he delivered a commencement yesterday at hampton university in virginia. watch as he takes a rather unexpected whack at technology during his speech. >> with ipods and ipads and xboxes and playstations -- none of which i know how to work -- information becomes a distraction. a diversion. a form of entertainment rather than a tool of empowerment. >> i think he was talking to the parents and not students there. young people are not going back
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to where they never were before. i would like to see a test about whether we learn more solid information by the new media. for tonight's big number, a look at that democratic party in pennsylvania. joe sestak beginning to overtake arlen specter. in fact, the challenger is given a 70%, seven in ten chance of pulling off that big upset next tuesday, may 18th. mark your calendars. sestak's chance at change is 70% now. is it time to stop reading terror suspects their miranda rights? big question for us americans. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. brian, you know i don't like you dunking oreo cakesters.
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that's it from cnbc first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." attorney general eric holder opened the door this weekend to modifying the miranda rights given terror suspects. let's listen. >> i think we have to give serious consideration to at least modifying that public safety exception and that's one of the things we'll be reaching out to congress to do to come up with a proposals that's constitutional but also relevant to our time and the threat that we now face. >> our time. does this signal the obama administration is giving into the right wing. joining me is the police commissioner in philadelphia. his new book is "beat cop to top
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cop." gentlemen, i was stunned to hear the openness to which the attorney general admitted that we're modifying what we all grew up with. whatever you say can be used against you. he's forced to say that did you hear in that we're not going have that in cases of terrorism? >> i did. you know, back up for a second. there always has been a public safety exception where lives are in danger and god forbid there's a child buried alive and you need to find that and time is of the essence. the notion that we may lock up a guy who could have cell phone call coming in that could cause great damage, the rule applies. the attorney general is trying to look at it with good constitutional sk aal scholars.
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that's the question. i can imagine that we see this case of a guy who obviously is a fugitive almost hot pursuit case. what happens if there's a bunch of people who are arabic speaking or have an accent or middle eastern aspect to them and cop walks in and sees five people arguing about americans. did someone say something against america here? did they come terror suspects. do you drop miles an hour arand? >> i was astonished that we have to broaden the exception. when we gave up freedom for our safety, we lose. that's what the terrorists are fighting for. when you think about miranda, that's the one right most people know from tv. the right to remain silent. the right that anything will be used against you in a court of law. that's the one right that people get. when you begin to chip away at that one, you chip away at one of the bedrock rights. no one can tell us why we need these additional powers. you have public safety
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exception. it's worked in both christmas bomber and the times square bomber. we have them talking. we're using their statements against them. what powers does the government have now that it doesn't yet need? third, third, it's going to be prosecution so much more difficult. when you open up this pandora's box we'll have so much litigation on our hands. congress doesn't have the power to chip away the fifth amendment. that's a businessic rig basic r. i'll note that when this issue last came up in the supreme court in 2000, it was law enforcement officials who weighed in saying they wanted miranda because it made for law enforcement to be effective and professionalized. >> i wrote an op-ed piece on that issue supporting that miranda shouldn't be watered down. in the area of terrorism, this is a new era. that's what eric holder was trying to deal with yesterday. we have to look and make sure
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for example that there are protocols in place and written policies in place when it does apply and doesn't apply so it isn't left up to the individual agent. >> in real practice when you are out in the field and you have a suspect, i notice in the case of christmas bomber, we were told they were mirandized at a point. you wonder what principle applies if the guy is about to interrogate very aggressively, why do you mirandize the guy after you interrogated him? what's the point at that point? i don't get it. why warn him of his rights after you get info out of him? >> the issue of the christmas day attempted bomber, he was not a citizen. this was an enemy combatant that came across the pond if you will. i don't think he had any rights any way. >> that's not true. >> different story here is a
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naturalized citizen. and they are clearly the rights of every american applies. >> let's go to that more difficult case. the case of an enemy. someone clearly is an enemy national out for no good. how do we treat him? anthony? >> the bill of rights is very clear. it's every person entitled to core fifth amendment and fourth amendment rights. just because you're not here as a citizen, doesn't mean you don't have rights. >> the guy is an airplane over america. the question of geography. is he here if he's committing a crime in the airplane above us? >> it's different. both times square and christmas day bombers were american soil. it's a red herring when we talk about trying to carve out an entirely new system when our system has worked. we have prosecuted 300 terrorism cases in the criminal courts. our law enforcement offenicials know what to do. we should give the fbi a pat on the back for handling the last two cases. it's working. you have to tell me what is not working that requires us to
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revisit something as fundamentally important as miranda? i don't get it. >> i want to get to the chief on this. i love the real experience. you're a real policeman from bottom to the top. let me ask but this. profiling. we talked about driving while black. we heard a lot from minority people they feel just being african-american in jersey turnpike you are stopped. i've had friends of mine tell me it happens. the it happens. how do you get around that. how do you stop police officers from not giving away common sense or nose for crime. we want them to have that. but to respect people's privileges and rights as citizens if they're not doing anything wrong? >> i mean a few things. one, the policy from the top must be clear and written and articulated that racial profiling is not tolerated. that's part of training. i put a program in place in philadelphia in 2000 that was pretty elaborate. i can't go into it now to try to
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identify police officers and even where you think you identify the police officer who may or may be engaged in it the difficulty of proving it in what to do is extremely hard. >> we talked about it. it's a challenge. we have to meet it. it's always going to be a challenge, right, anthony? if it were easy, we wouldn't have you and the aclu. >> and especially if we pass laws like arizona that legislate racial profiling. >> i know where you stand, buddy. glad you're there. >> you'll see us in court this week. >> thank you. chief, congratulations on this book. it reads like you, sir. you obviously had a big hand in writing every word of this. thank you very much, chief. >> good seeing you. this is one of the novel discussions we're going have around here. why are some prominent anti-gay conservatives caught being caught in doing what they preach against? in one minute during the break, why can't mitch mcconnell pick a winner? this is "hardball" only on msnbc.
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republicans may have the wind at their backs heading into mid terms this november but so far mitch mcconnell is striking out with his endorsements. bob bennett was bounced this weekend. charlie crist, another mcconnell endorsee, split the party in haste and in kentucky, trey grayson on the verge of losing his senate primary to the surging rand paul. the kentucky primary is next tuesday. if paul wins, that would mean mcconnell is 0 for 3 including at home. "hardball" will be right back. n have trusted gillette. when it comes to shaving, we've given them our best. and on june 6th, we'll give them something even better. absolutely! i have a lot of stuffiness at night. it wakes me up. i have allergies. ♪ you're right. i'm getting more air. -oh, yeah. -oh, wow! [ female announcer ] for two free samples, go to
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>> welcome back to "hardball." you can file this under hypocrisy watch. the miami paper, "new times" broke a story about a christian leader taking a trip with a male prostitute. >> we don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. it's written in the bible. i think i know what you did last night. if you send me $1,000, i won't tell your wife. if you use any of this, i'll sue you. >> he resigned after his association with a gay man came to light in 2006, four years
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ago. michelle goldberg writes about this. the christian rights gay problem you called it and we have a spokesman for the log cabin republicans. thank you, charles. thank you, michelle. michelle, let me read something from your piece. you summarize a 1996 university of georgia study. here it is. "those most hostile to gay people are often driven by terror and shame about their own desires." that sounds like a generalization. is everybody who's against gay rights gay? >> no, not everybody. what this study shows and what psychoanalysts have studied for a long time, and this study was empirical evidence to back it up, basically the study took two groups of men, both groups identified as heterosexual, both groups study -- filled out questionnaires to measure how homophobic they were and found there was significant more arousal when they showed them gay porn among the men who were
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homophobic than among the men who weren't. see this in the rhetoric of the christian right. it suggests that homosexuality is something that is so incredibly tempting that only the strictest of taboos will stop everybody from indulging in it. this is the rhetoric of people who are deep in the closet. >> what do you make of that, charles, that, well, it's a study, maybe it's worth something. what do you make of it? >> chris, it's not just limited to people who are strongly homophobic. you see in a lot of different sectors of society, i'm not going to be making excuses for people like ted haggard and dr. rekers. in a lot of areas in societies we have institutionalized homophobia and it's not just religion, it's the rap music world. we talked a lot in the prop 8 aftermath in california about the influence of homosexuality within the african-american community. we know in the reggae music world, in country music last when when that country music
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singer came out as being a lesbian there was a lot of apprehension. we've got a lot of work -- >> we've made enormous progress. this country is so much more open to gay rights, support in military service. i watch this stuff all the time. dramatic shift toward openness and acceptance and more than tolerance. i worked in washington now for god, 40 years and it's well known there are a lot of gay men, maybe gay women as well who work on right wing politics. you know, yet, how many are open about it and how many go along with the right wing diatribes we just heard? >> this is the problem with washington, d.c. politics is still an extremely conservative community. we have a lot of people who regardless if they're republican or a democrat on either side of the aisle still feeling like they can't be truly themselves. we have plenty of examples on
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the left as well. that's one of the reasons why so many different organizations advocate people coming out on their own terms, being able to it -- >> charles, you're missing my point. why do they get jobs with right wingers if they're not right wing on these issues? >> a lot of us are not single-issue voters. i'm openly gay. there's no gay line for environmental rules. just because you're gay doesn't mean you support taxpayer funded bailouts. we're not single-issue voters. because we're gay doesn't mean we adopt liberal positions on other issues that focus on society. >> michelle, you don't need a poll to know there's irony in this country. irony is the life we live. hypocrisy may come with the territory of politics. what do you think is the particular thing about men who are clearly by any definition gay, and they must know it, singing these songs about anti-gay public policy?
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what moves them to do it? >> i think that it's actually something more than simple than kind of complete hypocrisy or complete cynicism. i actually think that for somebody like george rekers or a ted haggard they probably hate themselves so much that they're attracted to the idea that homosexuality is a choice or homosexuality is curable and they're kind of desperate to prove -- they're desperate to prove themselves and be accepted by the heterosexual world. >> when you book with, you think of it as a choice. that part is. i don't think your orientation is a choice, by the way. god has a lot to do with this. anyway, michelle goldberg, thank you. charles, sir, i love your organization. when we return, "let me finish" with the end of one thing politicians have cherished more than anything else. easy re-election. ♪
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"let me finish" tonight with a real shocker. incumbent u.s. senators look upon their jobs as long term. people who get elected to the senate look forward to careers there. really impressive senators get to stay there for life. if they're enduring they get to become a building. you know, one day you wake up to find yourself not a senator having to run for re-election every six years, you're no
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longer an old man but a strong building with grand hallways and elevators. i think this is what robert bennett looked forward to, a slowly fading permanence, becoming if not a building perhaps one of those statues each state gets to leave there in the capitol hallway. this saturday mr. bennett got walking papers. you're free to go the roused up republicans of utah said in a loud voice. you said you only wanted two terms back then, we gave you through. i've wondered for years when the voters who say they want change would get over this lazy habit for voting for the most familiar name. pennsylvania democrats get the vote next week, decide whether arlen specter, fellow running as a republican for the past 45 years who wants to stay there in the senate as a democrat, should get his wish. we'll see what happens. one thing that's already happening in the country is that word entitlement. we use it for our kids. we use it for social programs like social security. we have to cut out the sense of entitlement, we hear it all the time. maybe now we think it's time to take away senators' entitlement
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to staying there until he turns into a building. or at least a statue. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. right now it's time for "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" tonight from new york. these stories are hitting "my hot buttons" at this hour. president obama makes his choice for the supreme court. a lot of progressives are concerned elena kagan isn't liberal enough. i'll ask senior white house adviser david axelrod coming up in just a moment. and that's a big story. but i think this is bigger. the oil disaster in the gulf is getting worse. the dome project didn't work. and the country wants to know, what is bp going to do about all of this? plus, a new poll in pennsylvania has joe sestak the congressman leading senator arlen specter in the democratic primary. that's coming up in the "playbook" tonight. you won't want to miss the conversation. this is the story that has me "fired up" tonight.
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the big box. it didn't work. now what? bp made $5.6 billion in the first quarter of this year, and they really didn't have a sound plan for an offshore oil disaster? well, here's what it looks like now. at this hour the national guard is dropping sandbags and filling sand barriers on the beaches of louisiana. they're scrambling to find another way to stop this oil leak from dumping 200,000 gallons a day into the gulf of mexico. you know, when you think of the way this whole thing is unfolding why do i get the feeling this is the bp engineering lab working on this crisis? >> say, i beg your pardon. do you have any idea what we're doing? >> now that you mention it, no. why don't you tell the general he's not professor sneed? >> i beg your pardon. wait a minute you ig nor ram


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